tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22117033.post7152005129382223278..comments2024-01-15T20:15:13.053-08:00Comments on Saberpoint: Paul and Pape's Fraudulent Argument: Islamic Violence Not Caused by IslamStogiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05852841950131130696noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22117033.post-43294072184885651132012-01-16T11:32:13.804-08:002012-01-16T11:32:13.804-08:00Ema, I received your latest asinine comment, and i...Ema, I received your latest asinine comment, and it will not be posted. <br /><br />Go peddle your communist propaganda somewhere else. You are all through here.<br /><br />You are banned from further commenting on this blog.Stogiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05852841950131130696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22117033.post-71268610097735842412012-01-14T08:51:02.589-08:002012-01-14T08:51:02.589-08:00Ema, the Torah does not require "continuing w...Ema, the Torah does not require "continuing war against all mankind" to force them to convert to Judaism, and Judaism and Christianity are not remotely comparable to Islam in this regard. You continue your self-delusion but that will not change reality, that Islam is violent, totalitarian, expansionist and lethal to non-Muslims and Muslims alike. Thousands of innocents have been murdered by Muslims since 911, and their deaths are a reality, not some oblique debating point as you seem to think.<br /><br />The Constitution is not a suicide pact, and we have a natural right to protect ourselves from a violent, undemocratic ideology that would kill or enslave us. The Constitution does not require us to allow anyone to immigrate and we can end such immigration immediately and legally. We can make it uncomfortable for Muslims to remain here, by removing their tax exempt status as a religion and recognizing them as a foreign, hostile ideology. <br /><br />I have refuted you several times on the myth that Muslims "have lived peacefully among us" since before the founding -- B.S. See this post here, for example:<br /><br />http://saberpoint.blogspot.com/search/label/Robert%20SpencerStogiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05852841950131130696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22117033.post-59352550853274732912012-01-14T06:12:33.070-08:002012-01-14T06:12:33.070-08:00.
"Muslims have been violent and expansionis....<br /><br />"Muslims have been violent and expansionist since the religion was created, conquering many nations and peoples and forcing them to convert to Islam. They were commanded to do so by their prophet and holy book, until all the world is Islamic, and all the Christians and Jews converted, killed or enslaved."<br /><br />In your reading and understanding of Islam, is there any action called for by the Koran that is not called for in the Torah/Bible? Does not Book of Numbers command murder and mayhem just for the fun of it?<br /><br />Given that followers of Islam have lived in USA/Canada peacefully since before the founding of USA in 1787, just how do you propose to separate 'our'selves from them? To help encourage those here to leave, should followers of Islam be forced to wear yellow stars of David or perhaps red crescents?<br /><br />BTW - where in the Constitution do you find such authority for your advocated actions?<br /><br />Ema Nymton<br />~@:o?<br />.Ema Nymtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01291372077565212886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22117033.post-4028946190317332572012-01-11T20:21:27.500-08:002012-01-11T20:21:27.500-08:00Tommy, I do not agree that any persuasive evidence...Tommy, I do not agree that any persuasive evidence supports the blowback theory. It is wishful thinking, pure and simple. <br /><br />To understand Muslim thinking, you need to read some books on the history, teachings and practices of this violent, expansionist ideology. I am on my 18th book. If you want some suggestions, just ask. <br /><br />What changed in 200 years? Well we moved from sailing ships and horses to jet airliners and an international economy. The great oceans do not protect us as they once did. However, Muslims were attacking us even early in the 19th century. President Jefferson sent the navy and the marines to fight the (Muslim) Barbary Pirates in Tripoli (now Libya) and surrounding Muslim states in 1801. The Barbary Pirates were attacking our shipping, stealing our ships and goods, and enslaving our sailors. They cited the Koran as their reason for doing so. It certainly wasn't "blowback."<br /><br />Muslims have been violent and expansionist since the religion was created, conquering many nations and peoples and forcing them to convert to Islam. They were commanded to do so by their prophet and holy book, until all the world is Islamic, and all the Christians and Jews converted, killed or enslaved.<br /><br />Didn't you read my post before commenting? We don't have to "kill all the Muslims," we just have to separate ourselves from them, isolate and contain them. Stop all Muslim immigration into the west and encourage those here to leave. It is essential that we become energy independent, so we can stop funding the barbarians. Then we need a powerful military as a deterrent, and a promise to incinerate their holy sites if they launch any more 911-style terrorist attacks against us. <br /><br />No more nation-building nonsense too. You cannot make democrats out of barbarian savages.Stogiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05852841950131130696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22117033.post-14546329590683471002012-01-11T13:24:20.763-08:002012-01-11T13:24:20.763-08:00I guess I don't really see how Auster actually...I guess I don't really see how Auster actually refutes Pape. I agree with Auster that we can't detach the suicide terrorism phenomena from radical Islam ideology, but at the same time the hard evidence and timelines suggest that in an overwhelming number (is it 95%? does it matter?) of these suicide attacks the motivating factor was a desire to compel DEMOCRATIC countries to remove armed forces from their holy lands. I see Islam as the fuse and occupation of their homelands as the spark. I don't think there was an Islamic terrorist attack on American soil until 1972. The United States existed for almost 200 years without a domestic attack. So what changed? Could it be the U.S.'s mettling in Iran's affairs during the 1950's? <br /><br />If you rest your case by saying the terrorist threat is Islam itself, then what is the solution? Do you have to kill all Muslims in order for America to be safe? What exactly is the foreign policy that results from the conclusion that Islam itself is the terrorism threat?Tommynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22117033.post-70659894778110300192012-01-11T11:07:33.233-08:002012-01-11T11:07:33.233-08:00i'm not too worried about his foreign policy i...i'm not too worried about his foreign policy ideas. we have the Senate plus term limits as a check of that extremist position. <br /><br />but if he could get this nation back on the constitutional track in regards to domestic policies then that would be a very good thing. this is my big concern.The Griperhttp://griper.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22117033.post-32169823301027686982012-01-10T16:23:32.841-08:002012-01-10T16:23:32.841-08:00I am ever amazed at how many Westerners are in den...I am ever amazed at how many Westerners are in denial about Islam. Ugh.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.com