Friday, December 04, 2009

Amanda Knox/Meredith Kercher: Rare Video of Crime Scene

Here is a rare video of the Meredith Kercher murder crime scene, complete with blood and body as Italian police collect evidence.



Update:  Since I posted this, I have come to believe that Amanda Knox and Raffael Sollecito are innocent of the crime.  See Injustice in Perugia, a site detailing the wrongful conviction of Amanda Knox and Raffael Sollecito.

57 comments:

Tony del Balzo said...

Believe her or not, Amanda Knox is still a frightened, somewhat naive young lady who choose to stay in Italy to comfort Meredith's father and stayed in Perugia to help the police rather than seek shelter with relatives in Germany. She needs encouragement as she returns to court. Let's send her a message of courage and hope.

Let’s flood her cell with cards and letters of encouragement on or before November 8. Please mail by the end of October. Packages will NOT be allowed into the prison. Get a card and put $.98 postage on it. Mail it to:

Amanda Knox
c/o Casa Circondariale
Strada Pievaiola
06100 Capanne (PG)
Italy

Bless you!

Anonymous said...

I think that amanda is a cruel,heartless and guilty girl.She belongs in jail for even longer;personally I think she got off easy with 26 years.Hopefully, on appeal,she will get even more time!!!Poor Meredith;she was beautiful;no wonder amanda hated her.

Stogie said...

Anonymous, you don't know what you're talking about. You have an opinion that is unsupported. I too have opinions, one of which is that you are an idiot.

Anonymous said...

Stogie my opinion is not unsupported.For example,how do u explain the dna of raf on the bra clasp?Even if it got moved around the room that means that there was still dna of raf somewhere in meredith's room;only he was never in her room!!!Next the mixed dna of meredith and amanda in three places in the bathroom?How did it get there especially since it was proven to have been deposited at the same time not individually. Also there was mixed dna of meredith and amanda in filomenas room.How did it get there??It looks like you are the idiot going on what amanda's family said and the uninformed media said.Look up the actual facts from the 427 page report.You might learn something.Lastly,innocent people do not lie repeately and implicate an innocent man(her boss)!!!

Anonymous said...

Tony you should get your facts straight.Amanda could'nt leave the police said even if she wanted to.She was told she had to stay put in perugia for a while so your idea of her wanting to stay and help the police??Wrong facts!!Why was she the only one and raf not at the funeral??They were the only 2 noticably absent??Really now;those two are not only evil and cruel they are unbelievably stupid as well!!!

Stogie said...

Anonymous, you are so misinformed it is embarrassing. The bra strap was contaminated by 27 days on the floor and mishandling of the technicians. It actually had the DNA of eight different people on it. Did they all murder Meredith?

A lot, if not all, of your accusations and misconceptions are answered at the following website:
"Injustice In Perugia," http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/

I suggest you go read through it and stop wasting our time.

Anonymous said...

Stogie what about the mixed dna of meredith and amanda???Did'nt think so.every time something is brought up that her supporters cannot explain they ignore it and rattle on and on about the same things;the contaminated bra strap and the knife.I am getting so sick of hearing the same crap about that nasty excuse for a person.Why don't u think about the real victims for once like meredith and her family.Knox and her supporters have shown zero sympathy for them yet they continue to rattle on about nonsense.Contaminated evidence,shoddy police work,crazy prosecuter,mis-handled evidence,unsequestered jury.C'mon this case sure seperates the smart people from the stupid ones!!!

Anonymous said...

One of the things i have noticed about amanda supporters is that they always get the facts wrong.It's not 27 days for the bra clasp.better re-check that cause it is'nt 27 days.I think the reason for the misinfo is that u guys are getting your info from the media and her parents which are bold face lies.Makes sense cause anyone that thinks shes innocent could'nt be studying the actual evidence from the case itself.Show some respect for the victim meredith already!!!

Stogie said...

Anonymous, what about the knife? You mean the kitchen knife in Raffael's kitchen that was totally different from the bloody knife imprint on Kercher's sheets? The knife that didn't match the wounds on Kercher's body? That knife? The one that had so little DNA on it (DNA, not blood) that it couldn't be reliably read by the scientific instruments?

Read the site I referred you to where several forensic experts convincingly rebut the kind of simplistic nonsense you are peddling.

Falsely convicting two obviously innocent people will NOT do Meredith Kercher any good whatsoever.

Stogie said...

One of the things i have noticed about amanda supporters is that they always get the facts wrong.It's not 27 days for the bra clasp.better re-check that cause it is'nt 27 days.

You're right, it wasn't 27 days, I was quoting from memory and got it wrong. It was actually 47 days.

Read all about it here if you dare:

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/TheBraClasp.html

melonballs said...

I think we are forgetting that a young girl with her whole life ahead of her was killed in a barbaric way. Educate yourselves and read the website True justice for meredith kercher. Only when you have read all the facts leave your comments. There is a saying not guilty until proven guilty. Amanda Knox is guilty as hell.

Stogie said...

Melonballs, the fact that Kercher was murdered in a barbaric way etc etc is no reason to frame two innocent people. Amanda Knox is not guilty at all. The "reports" from the corrupt Italian prosecutor are not to be believed and their key accusations have been thoroughly disproved.

Explain to me how Meredith Kercher is helped by the framing of two innocents?

Try reading some facts:

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/

Anonymous said...

NONE of you were there, so nobody knows what actually happened or who is actually guilty except for God.

And I think God is very ashamed looking down at you all right now.

Anonymous said...

Read 397 pages of judge report and its enough to convince Amanda Knox, Raf, Rudy were murderers.

kb said...

This is ridiculous! I believe from reading the facts that Raf and Amanda are both innocent people. Why in the hell would two people who were accused of murder still be lying about it? I mean seriously, if they've already been accused then why continue lying. There is obviously something there don't you think. I believe that if they were truly guilty they would've came clean by now!

Stogie said...

Anonymous, read the judge's report? You mean the one with all of the errors of fact in it? Like the misidentification of Guede's bloody footprint for that of Sollecito? Or the kitchen knife with some alleged DNA that was too small to be analyzed by the machine but was wrongly used as "evidence" anyway?

No thanks.

Anonymous said...

DNA TELLS ALL...SHE IS A COLD BLOODED MURDERER AND IS GUILTY ALONG WITH THAT LOSER RUDY AND HER DUMB ASS BOYFRIEND. SHE SHOULD GET LIFE, ALONG WITH THE OTHERS...WHERE IS THE JUSTICE FOR MEREDITH????

Anonymous said...

i cant believe that she did,she had no reason to kill the girl she and her where in to different worlds at the time the prouble barely spent time together she in jail for something she didnt do.... and if the crime look like it was staged who wouldnt say that someone site her up her room right next to the merediths im pretty sure anyone could walk into amandas room pick something up of hers and put it all over the knife,meredith and more me my slef i think it was the other room mate she seem sepicous

Stogie said...

Anonymous (2nd above)says that "DNA Tells All." You're wrong and here's why:
1. DNA on an object can be put there by contamination of an unprotected crime scene.

2. There is NO DNA or other evidence that connects Amanda or Raffael to the crime. No fingerprints, no blood, nothing.

Stogie said...

Another thing, Anon: "Where is the justice for Meredith": the justice is in the conviction of Rudy Guede whose fingerprints, footprints and DNA were all over the crime scene. It isn't necessary to frame two innocent people, as this will result in LESS justice, not more.

isabelle said...

anonymous, you should be put in jail for ur ignorance

Anonymous said...

Anonymous, criminologists say that Amanda didn't do it, the knife found in Raf's apartment is NOT the knife used to kill Meredith, the homeless man who saw Raf and Amanda near the flat had the date wrong, Amanda's DNA was all over the flat because she lived there. Amanda and RAF both had plenty of money so there was no need for them to rob Meredith. Further, they had only been dating for 6 days. Do you really think that they would trust each other not to say a word if they planned out a murder? Especially with Guede, whom they barely knew? RAF was about to graduate...he wouldn't mess that up. He had too much going for him. And another thing, Amanda didn't have any cuts on her, therefore, her blood could not have been mixed in with Meredith's. We don't know what actually happened in the police station to cause amanda to implement Patrik, but they likely had her make up a story of "where would you had been if Patrik did it.". The police were convinced by a text that amanda was supposed to meet up with Patrik that night. They wanted her to imagine a scenario. When Rudy was first arrested, he never mentioned Amanda or Raf. I kind of think he did in that in retaliation of her implementing Patrik.

Stogie said...

Anon, well said.

As far as Amanda's false confession, I recently saw a documentary of police interrogation techniques, and it was shown by an actual example that it is easy to obtain a false confession. You simply insist on the confession, threaten the prisoner, and withhold sleep, food and drink for many hours. This is also what was done to Amanda Knox. She was interrogated by a team of 12 police investigators for eight hours overnight, without food or sleep or water. She was exhausted beyond belief and told them what they wanted to hear in order to end the ordeal.

Koert A. Kerkhoff, MA said...

Most of the arguments used in this discussion are based on second-hand info or opinions, which does not make them very convincing. It really does not matter how well the evidence was gathered or how nice the interrogators were: all in all there is just not enough evidence to convict anybody but Mr. Guede. The rest is make-believe: the Italian justice system wanted to score with a horror story in the aftermath of Halloween the celebration of which has never been part of Italian tradition and is seen as a potent example of US cultural imperialism. How convenient that the gruesome murder could be linked to an American; too bad it became a story with a completely unbelievable plot.
Since nobody really likes criticism, the Knox family and the politicians supporting them would have done well to openly praise the Italian prosecutors and judges, and express their condolences to the Kercher family (a victim remains a victim), while contacting secretly e.g. prime minister Silvio Berlusconi to make a deal. It is my sincere wish that the innocents will be freed, that the guilty face God's wrath, and that the mourners will be comforted.

Anonymous said...

Anyway Amanda is in jail so YOU COULD STOP JUSTIFYING YOURSLEF, SHES IN JAIL M8, FACE IT!

Anonymous said...

I am currently at the end of a book about this murder case and find it unbelievable that people can think that these 2 monsters are innocent! Theres too much evidence to suggest it was them and the way Amanda parades around after her "friend" had been brutally murdered in her own home is just a sure sign that she is an evil vindictive girl. Raf on the other hand collecting knives and a stash of brutal porn movies is obviously a sadistic wierdo! Meridith was killed for no reason what so ever the poor girl must have been terrified god bless her. Personally I think they should throw away the key on these 2 animals and subject them to a tourcherous life in a dingy cold cell! RIP Meridith xxx

Anonymous said...

Amanda knox is right where she belongs she killed that poor girl they way she acted after merideth was killed was like she was happy that she was dead i just wish she had gotten more years in prison than she got she is not a stupid girl and her actions show this so acting stupid just wont get it she is right were she belongs get over it people

Stogie said...

To the last two Anonymous commenters: you are ignoramuses who know nothing about the case. You mouth off with no facts to back up your erroneous opinions.

Anonymous said...

Let the American rot in hell. Jealous bitch. That's exactly what this is all about. Stogie, you are NOT a hot chick, so you don't understand this petty situation. You make good points but you don't understand themost basic human instinct of females. Females are catty, jealous, competitive creatures.

Anonymous said...

Let the bitch rot in hell, meaning let that American bitch rot in jail~

Stogie said...

So Anonymous, what this is really all about is hatred for America, hey? It's not our fault our country is so much better than yours! Get a life.

Erin E said...

All of the evidence linking Raffaelle & Amanda is completely circumstancial & the investigation was compromised from the begining. The alleged murder weapon is very questionable. None of the DNA evidence supposedly linking Amanda & Raffaelle was blood DNA or body fluids. The only evidence of Amanda in Meredith's room was on the alleged murder weapon-but no bodily fluid DNA. Kercher's bra clasp wasn't taken as evidence until 6 weeks later & when it was picked up it wasn't in the spot they had originally found it. The prosecution's "eye-witness" is really anything but. this man not only admitted to being a drug user(not that being a drug user makes one non-credible), but admitted that he was most likely high at the time he witnessed the two outside the house the night of the crime; he says there were disco buses that night, but the defense team has evidence, from the disco bus companies, that their buses were not running that night, so he's probably not lying about seeing them outside the house;just mixing up the days of when this occured. Yes, she incriminated her former employer, but after days & hours of duress & being told that she's lying & going to be imprisoned for 30yrs, she told them a lie. Her initial interregation was not recorded in any shape or form, but yet things she said was used against her at trial. There's absolutely no evidence that points to this murder being a sex-game gone awry; that's the only circumstance that makes the prosecution's theory somewhat plausible. Seeing as Raffaelle comes from an affluent italian family and Amanda was studying abroad...they really have no motive for the alleged robbery. There's evidence to suggest that that type of knife couldn't have made the wounds on Kercher. There's no evidence pointing to jealousy being an issue. Amanda was roommates with Kercher and knew her for only 6 weeks prior to the murder;how upset should she have been? She may not have been hysterical and balling, but Knox did seem somewhat upset about the situation.Everyone has different levels of resilience and reacts to stressful situations differently(what about when Heath Ledger O.D, who did his nurse call first-Ledger's then gf,Mary-Kate Olsen). The photos of Amanda and Raffaelle kissing;she was in a foreign country, her bf being the closest thing to family,so yes, they were snogging to comfort one another. Knox doing cartwheels outside the police station,again, everyone handles stress differently; with her being an athlete, physical activity seems like a natural stress reliever- no matter what she could've done in that situation it would've looked like she didn't care. Now, with there being blood in the bathroom: The blood wasn't that conspicous and if one quickly hops in to take a shower, the blood could've easily been overlooked. How many times do you inspect your bathroom mats before you take a shower? or the faucets. The prosecution trying to incriminate Knox on the basis that she had stayed the night at Sollecito's, but chose to take a shower at her place is not incriminating. The italian police considered a woman to be involved from the sole fact that Kercher's body was covered; the body being covered doesn't mean that a woman was involved-all it means is that the perpetrator felt guilty about it, so her body being covered doesn't point to a particular sex being involved. But even if Knox and Raffaelle were involved there's too little circumstancial evidence linking them to the crime and the investigation was mishandled from the begining.

Anonymous said...

When I first heard of this case, I also thought that they were guilty.
However after doing alot of research online, I feel that they are being set up by the police in italy.
I agree that they acted a little suspicious, and Stupid!!! but they are young and we were all that stupid when we were young.

I am 100% sure thet they are innocent of ALL charges.
My heart goes out to this family and also the family of meredith :)
Things happen for a reason and I do believe that they will find peace soon.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said: "I am 100% sure thet they are innocent of ALL charges."

There is one charge I am SURE Amanda Knox is guilty of: Falsely accusing someone she knew was innocent.

Stogie said...

There is one charge I am SURE Amanda Knox is guilty of: Falsely accusing someone she knew was innocent.

She was pressured into it. First, by asking her to imagine a scenario where Patrick did it (in an effort to get her to confess); then she was interrogated overnight without any sleep, water or food. She would have confessed to anything (and so would you have) in order to be able to eat, dring and sleep.

So her "false accusation" was really engineered by the Perugia police.

Anonymous said...

I also think Amanda Knox and her boyfriend are guilty! I think that Rudy pleaded guilty because he knew that being black he would become the fall guy for Amanda and Raf, so better to plead guilty and get a shorter sentence. If Amanda and Raf didn´t kill Meredith then who did? In about 90% of cases, the killers are usually know to the victim, very rarely do you get someone who just goes into a house and kills a person just for the hell of it! Also the brutality of the crime shows that the murderer had a grudge, jealousy.
finally, having watched the appeal trial, I am more convinced that Amanda is guilty because when they showed the photos of Meredith with the knife wounds, the normal thing would be to look, Meredith doesn´t, she looks away..sounds like a guilty conscience to me.. I don´t like the cold look she has in her eyes, as they say, the eyes are the mirror to your soul!!!

Stogie said...

I'll tell you what I think, Anon, and that is you are totally uninformed on the facts of the case. Who killed Meredith? A black guy named Rudy Guede, a known burglar who broke windows with rocks to enter residences and offices and who carried a knife and used it to threaten burglary victims. His fingerprints, DNA, semen and feces were all over the crime scene, all over and inside of Meredith Kercher. How blind can you be?

Also, your impressions based on Knox and Sollecito not wanted to view gory pictures of a nude, dead girl proves nothing at all. There were many in the courtroom who were disgusted with this cynical display and looked away. Let me give you a clue: you are neither a psychiatrist nor a clairvoyant and your general impression ain't worth spit.

Gigi said...

Well say what you want but Amanda Knox and Raffaelle Sollecito are free!!!! And that is because they are innocent. Honestly it really astonishes me how ignorant and judgmental people can be. You are like little sheep following a lie just because they paint a picture you believe it as the truth without researching your facts. And truly looking at the evidence! You should be ashamed! Just hope one days the tables aren't turned and your wrongly accused of something you had nothing to do with. You will know then exactly what these to poor innocent kids went through! Now if the authority that made this mistake had the balls to admit they jumped the gun and made a mistake by arresting these poor kids they could have gave the man (Rudy) the time he so rightly deserved!!! not a lousy 16 years! Then Maybe (god rest her soul) Merideth would have had REAL justice!!!!!

Anonymous said...

All of you. Get a life, worry about your own rather trying to be involved in something that has no use for you. Neither of you were there to make up assumptions or rude statements. Obviously you lived a shit life that you have nothing better to do than rant about something that doesn't involve you.

Anonymous said...

Lmao...There's our good ole justice system for you. As the saying goes: It's not about what you know, It's about what you can prove. I'm glad that my 9 year old daughter has the common sense that those supposed young adults lacked. My condolences to, Meredith's family. And, if after coming home to an unlocked door, empty apartment & bathroom filled with that much blood, you decided to shower there instead of where you obviously felt comfortable enough to sleep...you deserve every day you spent locked up & you are in desperate need of a, Psychotherapist.

Stogie said...

1st Anon: When one of our citizens is framed and imprisoned in a backwater country, it is our business, because it puts all Americans in Italy at risk.

2nd Anon: Amanda took a shower in her own bathroom where she observed a couple of drops of blood on the sink, and so that justifies locking her up for four years? All the blood you speak of was in Kercher's bedroom, not the common bathroom that she shared with Knox. You really sound like a moron.

Gigi said...

Yes Anononymous it is about what you can PROVE and not what you "think" you know! Im not one for name calling but i will have to admit with Stogie. You sound like a moron. Which makes the point I made earlier about being such followers instead of looking at the facts and making a decision based on the facts and NOT because of the stories floating around town or in the media, just so much more true! Someone earlier mentioned a site that i looked at and maybe you should too!!

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/

The people working against her on the case had control of the info they leaked or gave to the media and press and a lot of it was not true or twisted! Like this bathroom full of blood you speak of was not a bathroom full of blood. to just look at it there was nothing to be seen except for a little spot in the bidet and a tiny drop in the shower. They posted pictures in the papers of a picture they took AFTER they sprayed the room with a chemical called luminol. Which is a chemical to detect blood after it had been cleaned. The luminol shows up bright pink even a little red. Which everyone assumes Amanda showered in this room with it looking like that. There is so much information. and evidence. evidence that the police recovered actual videos and pictures they took. I urge you to look and ready before you cast judgement!

Stogie said...

Bravo, Gigi! I think you are right, that Anonymous saw that picture of the bathroom when it was all pink with luminol and assumed that was blood, which is what the police wanted everyone to think. Luminol glows when it comes into contact with blood, but also with many bathroom cleaners including bleach. That pink in the photo was not blood.

Anonymous said...

Gigi, you need to pump your brakes. I find yours & Stogie's behavior rather juvenile..name calling because another won't share your views. Was this forum for all or, did I miss the memo? I THOUGHT we were all adults here. Your misplaced aggression belongs elsewhere, not here. So anyway..now that, Ms Knox has been released, she can promptly pay, Mr. Lumumba his 20,000 euros for scandalizing his name..It's a good thing that he was able to PROVE she lied.

Anonymous said...

Stogie, thanks for the compliment but, I stand by my words. ANYONE who arrives home to find the door open, signs of a break-in, a roommate who doesn't answer her phone but, her room door is locked & blood droplets in the bathroom, yet still decides to shower..needs an evaluation. Don't have a coronary insulting others because your granddaughter made herself a suspect. Maybe next time you will teach her to use better judgement.

Anonymous said...

I am really pissed off that, that bitch of foxy knoxy is freed. I hope she goes to hell. Its obviouse that she was jealous of meredith because she was beautiful.That stupid cunt, she deserves the death penalty. I hate her face, its written guilty all over her ugly ass face. JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL VOOR MEREDITH KERCHER, FUCK YOU KNOX

Anonymous said...

Only meredith kercher knows what happened to her that night and now probably knoxs family too, blood is thicker than water and we will never know the truth. May meredith not roam this earth no more and be rested. May god hold u in the palm of his hand for all eternity and may those who were set free be punished silently.

Stogie said...

1s Anonymous, I stand by my words too, and you are definitely a moron. Are you a Euroweenie, whose massive inferiority complex makes you desire to destroy an American, who is so much better and so much more valuable to humanity than your worthless self? I thought so.


2nd Anonymous, if I wrote such inane garbage I would probably be anonymous too. It is obvious that you are completely nuts.

3rd Anonymous, we do indeed know what happened that night, the actual evidence and DNA makes it obvious. Guede threw a rock through a window t burglarize the house, Meredith came in and Guede attacked her, she fought back furiously, and the SOB killed her with a knife. He then rifled her purse for her money and left.

The truth is only dim to those who refuse to see it.

Anonymous said...

Weather she did it or not no one will ever know that true answer. . But for those of you who think she is guilty. Just know only one can ultimately. Judge. Us and that is God. She will with out a dout answer for why she did in a much more horriable way then rotting away in a prison. And for those of you who think she is innocent. I really can't tell you my veiws on this cause the evidence goes both ways but instead of focussing on weather she did it or not what's done is done nothing will bring back the victim so now nearly 5 years later how about we put it rest and let merideth rest in piece. Its sick that this had ended the way it did a big media scandal. . All that matters is a young beautiful lost her life in a very tragic. Way and all we can do is make a big deal of the foxy knoxy character its not about Amanda Knox the big house held name. Its bout bringing justice to merideth and her poor family so lets move on and celebrate the life of the lost let her memory live on instead of focussing. On two people who were found innocent. In the end justice will have its say. And that's the only thing that matters. And I'm arty but to tell you the truth someone like Amanda if she was guilty. I think she would have cracked along time ago.

Gigi said...

I understand there was a life lost a sweet, beautiful girl lost her life and in the most horrific way and I'm sorry for that I really am! I know what it feels like to loose someone in such a horrific way because Me myself lost a friend in a horrific way also! But her life wasn't the only one that was lost that day! Amanda's and Raffaele's were also lost that day and they spent the last 4 years in prison for a crime I truly believe they were innocent of. There name and there reputation ruined! And I feel for them just as much as I do Merideth. I believe Merideth is at peace now. Rudy is behind bars and the innocent were sent free!


As for the comment about Amanda's boss. Yes that was unfortunate. His name and reputation was tainted for a short period of time but Amanda definitely payed a higher price! One can claim "I would NEVER admit to something I didn't do" Or you would never do what Amanda did in that interrogation room. But the truth is you were not in there you were not being put through that. You have NO idea the pressure and the fear they put you through in that room. I have done plenty of research on this subject and this is not the first time an innocent person has had this issue. Again I have known 2 people personally i went to high school with that were accused of robbing and killing a boy at a pizza shop. After interrogating these 17 yr old boys for hours of no sleep, no food, nothing to drink, and threatening them with jail and there families they confessed to a murder and robbery they had NOTHING to do with. They wouldn't allow them to talk to there parents and were unaware of there rights to a lawyer. These poor boys lives were flipped upside down!! spent over a year in jail. They had no evidence against them and nothing linking them to the boys except for the fact they ate there earlier that day. besides there tainted confession. They later found evidence linking them to a man who use to manage the pizza spot. He started in virginia killed and robbed a gun shop owner. traveled to florida killed and robbed a subway shop then came back to michigan and killed and robbed the pizza shop he use to work at. He had an accomplice who was arrested also. Nothing linked these boys to the actual murders but yet they still tainted there names and reputation in the media trying to make them guilty of something they didnt do and you wanna know why??? Because someone messed up and instead of admitting there mistakes they ruined these boys' lives! They were set free because obviously there was NO evidence and they were innocent. But they were beaten there families were beaten they through rocks through there windows put them through hell! Took them years to get there life back. They later sued the city and won! I know this was a bit long but the point i'm trying to make is the fact that people don't sit and just really open there minds and hearts and listen to the facts. Not what they read in the media not listen to one persons opinion. but to sit and really look at the evidence all of it. Then make a choice. But what people don't realize is yes it's just your opinion but you have no idea what your uneducated opinion can do to one persons life. Stop letting the media run the way you live and think!


Do you know that they cast Amanda out to be this big liar and the only they she lied about was her boss. And technically it wasn't even her lie. It was the police who put that idea or statement in her head.

Anonymous said...

Stogie- you keep referring to a webisite to check these so called "facts"... IDIOT! Do you get all your "facts" from the internet?? GOD! It's like Wikipedia all over again! Stogie says: "I know it's true cuz I read it on the internet!"... Ever see the movie Idiocracy??... Yeah.. Thats where this world is headed with people like you using the internet as "facts". Basically... the truth of it is this: IF YOU WERE NOT THERE, YOU DON'T KNOW ANY "FACTS"!... YOU ONLY KNOW WHAT YOU WERE TOLD ABOUT THEM! And by the way...where did you get your forensics dregree anyway?

Stogie said...

Anonymous, unless forensic experts who write on the internet are frauds, then I feel quite comfortable believing them. They write with knowledge, logic and reason.

Where do you get your "facts"? Pull them out of your ass?

Anonymous said...

Stogie- OK...1st: IT'S THE INTERNET!! Anyone can write anything and say they are whomever they want... IT'S THE FREAKING INTERNET!!

2nd: what facts are you referring to that I "pulled out of my ass"?

3rd: I'd believe a fact pulled out of my ass over the internet any day

I simply mentioned that the internet is neither secure nor always accurate, and that the only way you could know any facts about the case is if you are personally involed.

This ends my trasmission... my charity time with explaining simple things to simple minds has expired. You require no more of my time, I've said what needed to be said. Anyone of intelligence will agree with me. Goodbye.

Stogie said...

Idiot, so it's the internet. There are great resources on the internet, whole libraries, newspapers, periodicals, television stations, databases, videos and websites with tons of information. What difference if it is in digital form rather than paper? It makes no difference. You may as well argue that no information found in books is reliable because there are comic books and coloring books (you're probably working on some right now).

At injusticeinperugia.com, FBI agents, forensic scientists and other experts have examined the evidence and written scholarly and informed articles about the same, and I am not supposed to believe them just because they are on the internet? What kind of stupid reasoning is that?

Your argument is nonsensical and idiotic. Go away.

Anonymous said...

Gigi, how convenient for you to ASSUME that, Amanda's boss' reputation was tainted for a short period of time. Did you bother to research the effects that, Amanda's lies has had on this man's life? Don't bother to answer, of course you didn't. It's funny how you can callously overlook anyone besides, Amanda's pain & suffering but, accuse others of not researching facts. You need to follow your own advice & do more research concerning EVERYONE involved. Your behavior is very hypocritical & I refuse to visit this site again. People like you sicken me.

Stogie said...

Anonymous, this is your last post. Any future ones will be deleted.

Lumumba may have been damaged by the false statement that the police wrote and forced Amanda to sign, but it isn't Amanda who damaged him. It was the police. For all your blather you show a profound ignorance of the case. Knox was severely sleep deprived when she described a "fantasy" that the police asked her to provide, mainly so they could arrest Lumumba whom they already had concluded was one of the "murderers." They wanted to frame Lumumba too, and that is why they psychologically tortured Knox to say what they wanted her to say.

Gigi kicked your butt like a soccer ball, and now you are whining like a little crybaby. You are done here.

Gigi said...

Anonymous I don't know how you can read anything I wrote and think I havent thought nor do i care about anyone but Amanda. That is not true and I have stated my empathy for EVERYONE involved. Like Stogie has stated and myself. WE believe it is not her who is to blame it is the perugia police. It is Rudy to blame. Rudy killed that poor girl. there was evidence, there was motive and he admitted it. But because perugia police already arrested an american girl and cast the blame on her and tortured her they could not let it go. They gave that dirty slime ball a deal to a lighter sentence because pergusia police couldn't and wouldnt admit there mistake! It would be to much bad publicity for them. Which is what it all boils down too!

So yes Mr.or Mrs Anonymous I did and always do my research before I go opening my mouth. I believe in fairness and I believe in doing what is right regardless of what the outcome may be. I believe others should be the same way and then maybe just maybe we could live with a little peace in this world!